Posts by Black Sheep

for the last year or so, the opening lyrics to gloria estefan's "always tomorrow" have been howling at me.. i've been alone inside myself, far too long.

never really wanted it that way, but i let it happen..... .

(btw, the message in that song is great for former jw's, if you want to think about the lyrics that way....).

Black Sheep

Welcome back Jeff.

When I go to a new town, I do the rounds of the pubs and clubs and find one that has a nice atmosphere. It doesn't matter that I don't know anyone there.

I don't refuse any offers.

After a few years of not refusing any offers, you will be a 'local' and will be getting offers you can not bring yourself to refuse. You wouldn't believe what I have volunteered to do this weekend. It will be a helluva lot of fun for everyone involved.

....my Dubs have to do whatever my Dubs do on a weekend .... every weekend .... Yay for them.

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ITS A MIRCALE,YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE WHAT JUST HAPPEN TO ME.

by Crazyguy in

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first i made love to my wife, maybe i'm better in bed then i thought, because about an hour after that my wife comes back in and i'm sitting at my desk and i asked her, "when the elders df me are you going to leave me, spiritual endangerment and all" she said, no, i don't feel endangered and we talked awhile and i talked about da ing and not sure what to do, then i shared with her a toned down version of the da letter that i posted and that led to her asking about my beliefs and understandings of who the great crowd and 144k, heaven and earthly hopes.

i was even able to tell her how they changed or distorted the meaning of the word naos to show the great crowd not in heaven.

i was able to show her some of the scriptures from the da letter, able to tell her a little about 1914 and how jesus did'nt invisably come in a presence, showing her scriptures on that and some more ttatt.

Black Sheep

That sounds great, but be careful. Don't do all her reasoning for her. Encourage her to arrive at conclusions that she owns because she has thought them through. Point her to information that she needs to know, then encourage her to think for herself.

Trying to become her new Guru might be a mistake.

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Self Destructing. oh-oh.

by Captain Blithering in

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yo dudes.. .

i've been studying ttatt for nearly a year now, i'm pretty much convinced wt theology is a crock, but i can't just leave as i don't want to lose family, and i simply can't disappoint my elderly aging parent.. .

i'm prepared for the long game fade (could be a few years), but have been sowing seeds with the wifey little bit by little bit.

Black Sheep

You can get away with saying some outrageous stuff as long as it is viewed as coming from a believer in good standing.

You can display cognitive dissonance like a badge of honour, bringing up whacko doctrines and attitudes while there is Worldly company present. Make sure to say stuff that the Dub already knows, but would never mention in public. If they do have a go at you for it, don't get into an argument, but make them explain their reasons. Try to get them to say things that will give them trouble when they try to get to sleep at night, without you making any statements that are not supported by the WT.

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DA'd then what to expect.

by Crazyguy in

so the impending doom of the end is coming and i will not be df'd so they can tell others i sinned or something else.

i will da, but not sure what to expect next and what they will say to my family and children.

i have 5 kids one baptised and ofcourse a wife, so what should i prepare for??

Black Sheep

You have to learn to stop talking to the wrong people.

If you want your wife out, what will talking to the DO, CO, PO, BOZO the ELDO accomplish that will help? Are they going to throw in the towel and admit to your wife that it's all been a scam and they are sorry they have wasted so much of her life with it?

Save your conversations for people who are important to YOU, and stop telling them TTATT. Didn't you read all the articles, and hear all the talks warning against listening?

If you want to help your loved ones see TTATT, you have to get cunning and do it in a way that doesn't trigger their pre-programmed responses. If you don't know how to do that, STFU until you do.

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DA'd then what to expect.

by Crazyguy in

so the impending doom of the end is coming and i will not be df'd so they can tell others i sinned or something else.

i will da, but not sure what to expect next and what they will say to my family and children.

i have 5 kids one baptised and ofcourse a wife, so what should i prepare for??

Black Sheep

You should make it your business to know the answer to these questions before you put your head on the block. They will usually just follow official policy, so there shouldn't be any unexpected and pleasant surprises.

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Question for exjws who are now atheist..

by EndofMysteries in

this question is for athiests who had been jw's, and when leaving, had to pretty much start fresh (if most of your association had been jw's).. to help you better answer the question, here is first the reason i am asking it.

my whole life and assocation were jw's only.

when i left, it was at first being pretty isolated while making new friends/etc from scratch.

Black Sheep

There's lots of choice around here. Lions, Rotary, Fire Brigade, charity veggie garden, Men's Shed, car clubs, numerous sportng clubs, spinners & weavers, herb groups, art co-ops, music, theater, dance, plus the pubs and clubs have subgroups in them. No need to turn to the churches if you want to keep yourself busy.

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The elders came by and my DA letter

by Crazyguy in

the lead elder co of my hall said he was going to push for a jc meeting.

i could tell all along all hes interested in is protecting his god the org.. so i'm 90% sure now of going on the offesive and first having a family meeting telling them i'm offically quitting and how its going to play out and how i'll will be shunned even though i have commited no sin.

i also may explain a little of why and how i came to this decision with out bashing the org to much out of respect for my wife.

Black Sheep

Very noble, CG, but it plays the game the way the hierachy want it and to the hierachy's advantage.

What is the advantage to you and to the people still in that you will still want to communicate with? Maybe there aren't any people, in which case I understand where you are coming from.

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KateWild's Face. Hello guys this is me, What do you look like?

by KateWild in

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Black Sheep

I look like my avatar, but about a decade older.